New York Times columnist Jamelle Bouie is at the forefront of the national conversation on police violence and racism. On this episode, he tells us what we might actually do about it.

America incarcerates more people than any country: nearly a quarter of the world’s prison population. And U.S. inmates are disproportionately Black and Latino. Elizabeth Hinton explains how we got here, while Siva and Will consider what hope there is for truth and reconciliation.